Replacing the VAZ 2109 thermostat from Grants, the stove is hot
Published January 14, 2017
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how does your modification work? does not jam if the stove valve is closed during the first start-up and warm-up (respectively). I don’t understand anyway.
please tell me the tee is from what car?
Strange. I have everything stock. It's so hot that the plastic of the blowers has melted. 0_0
the author is a moron on earth, so it should be, she shouldn’t be heated up by the earth, that is, 87-90 degrees, you motherfucker.
I have an 8ka 85, so after 10 km it’s impossible to sit in the car.
I don’t understand a damn thing, coolant should go straight from the lower pipe directly to the pump, but where to the radiator? And this immediately turns out to be a big circle.
I did it on my 21083 https://www.drive2.ru/r/lada/992734/ a long time ago, only advantages, I threw out the faucet altogether, installed an electric faucet from the Gazelle Business under the hood and a button in the cabin, it heats up instantly, the stove definitely fries, in the summer, when the tap is switched to bypass, the stove is generally cold, etc.
what's the tee from?
But how does the coolant flow in a large circle? Does it go through the heater radiator and through the upper pipe?
Is it worth it with a 10 thermos 6 holes? Is it worth installing a Grant one? +is there?
The author didn’t say a word about the stove tap! With such a system it should ALWAYS be open!
I like the author for his ingenuity. The air intake flap from outside the radiator does not close tightly. Glue it with foam rubber and assemble the stove body with sealant, in general you will be driving in shorts in winter!
Why is your voltmeter scaled like that? I also have a 9, also from 1988, but the needle is almost always on red, the voltage is somewhere around 13W
Thanks to the author. I'm pleased with the result. The car became noticeably warmer.
Well, I don’t know the author, the low panel (I own one myself) is actually hot in itself, I have a stock 09 98, the cooling system is also stock, so the car hasn’t warmed up to working temperature, but it’s already warm in the car, and then it’s Tashkent, Your problem most likely was something else, perhaps the stove radiator is clogged, or the interior is quite drafty, but as an option you can do it the way you did.
Good evening author, I have a question: does the thermostat from Granta go into place without any problems? There are no cracks or gaps between the engine and the thermostat. Can you still fit on heels without problems?
where do you get the throttle heating?
Hi all. Why does hot air not flow into the cabin when the tap is open (always) in the summer? Or is there a message that it needs to be closed in the summer, but in the winter it is always open? I don’t understand something. Is it also possible to get the entire list of required spare parts for the conversion? Which pipe, which tee? Etc.
Today I changed the thermostat - as shown in the video, so far I’m happy. I couldn’t find the tee, I soldered it myself from plastic tubes. Thank you very much to the author for the tuning.
At what temperature does it open? I heard that when installing a Grant thermostat, the engine will underheat, supposedly the thermoelement on this thermostat needs to be changed to 92 degrees.
It would be cooler if, after the modification, you started it when it was cold and took off how much it heats up to the maximum temperature
Tell me, will this fit on the 21099 injector?
But what about in the summer when the heater tap is closed? The thermostat is also closed while it warms up.
that means so, and the author has a problem with the heating system, the heat on my low panel on the standard thermostat is unbearable. It's most likely a leak in the heater when cold air is sucked in past the damper or the radiator heater is without swirlers inside. Grant's thermostat is good, but we must keep in mind that when we close the tap in the summer, we immediately overheat the engine, and driving in the heat with a heated radiator is brutal. Modern cars do not have a heater tap and the air flow is regulated by dampers; on new vases everything works very well with this thermostat. This won’t work in Samara; in summer the heater radiator should be cold
So what will happen in the summer? If you close the stove in the cabin? Not a word about that. Most likely there will be a bomb in the tank)))))))) or am I wrong? Author, write about this in more detail! Or will the stock thermal be returned in the summer?
People, tell me why the engine on 9 takes so long to warm up? I changed the thermostats, installed my own ones, and a 10-point one. The lower pipe is always cold before the thermostat opens, and the engine doesn’t heat up at all. It's a 5 km drive to work. I warm it up in the garage for a couple of minutes, then drive along a flat road for 5 km. The engine barely heats up to 50. What could be the matter?? In the summer it's the same bullshit. Carlson almost never turns on.
What happens if you turn off the stove tap?
Good afternoon, I have a question for you, I want to change the thermostat from Granti to nine if I put a tee at the output of the thermostat and connect the heater and gas reducer and go into the saxophone. If I close the stove tap, will the gearbox allow a large volume of liquid to pass through itself and nothing bad will happen to it?
Everything is great for winter, but what about in summer with such a thermos?
I have a question. Since the small circle is a heater radiator, then all the coolant flows through it. Granta has a different radiator design. The question is: will the heater radiator cope with all the liquid pressure at maximum engine speed, if we say spin it up to 6000 rpm?
It’s easier to buy a thermostat with a narrowed channel and that’s it. cheaper and more effective.
Where is the tee from, I can’t find it
Maxim did everything according to your instructions and what did I get from it? (1) I freed up a lot of space under the distributor (which I am very pleased with). (2) My car never warmed up (previously, after driving 12 kilometers, warm air just started blowing), now It’s just Tashkent, even quite warm air blew from the side vents. (3) I turned off the heater tap because The faucet in 21099 is essentially not needed at all (extra hemorrhoids are like a goat's button accordion). (4) Instead of a plug where there should be a d.t. I installed a Grant one with 2 wires (one was connected to the wire from the original sensor and the second was immediately connected to ground to the top pin from the thermostat. (5) the stove after starting warms up to 92 degrees, in a Tashkent car and only then does the thermostat open, even with with the heater fan turned on, the temperature does not drop much. (6) While I was disconnecting the faucet cable, quite very hot air was blowing across my face. So there are only advantages. I just came up with an idea, if you put a tee in the hose that goes from the thermal to the heater, and connect it to this tee preheat the throttle, and turn off the throttle output from the return line (but that doesn’t really bother me).
Thermostat from grants for VAZ 2109 injector. This question: I installed a thermostat from grants for 2109
Hello！ Guys, here’s a question: I installed the thermostat from Granta at 2109. And everything seems to be fine, but summer is approaching, and you can’t turn off the stove tap, because there is a small circle through it. Maybe someone did something like this? How did you resolve the issue? PS carburetor engine.. Thermostat from grants for VAZ 2109 injector.
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22 comments on “Thermostat from grants for VAZ 2109 injector. This question: I installed a thermostat from grants at 2109 "
I did the same thing, I think I can save myself with a flap, but I don’t think it will help, I’ll have to farm with an intermediate pipe and a tap for the summer.
Take the pressure off him and that’s it. Only the air damper will work.
By the way, is it hot in your cabin or something, it seemed to be warmer for me, but a friend set it to 12; the air burned his hand, but mine didn’t.
If you completely muffle the river, remove the two hoses and connect them through the fitting
You open the damper when it’s cold and everything will be fine, no need to do anything collectively
Make a jumper on the half-turn tap in front of the stove tap, open the jumper, close the stove tap and that’s it
There you need to install an electronic valve with 3 inputs
Oleg, the hand endures, but it’s very hot
Sergey, what about the radiator? It will be constantly hot
Vitaly, I think it’s better not to come up with
If you open the damper, air will not flow through the radiator.
On the grant, the radiator is always hot, everything is fine, by the way, it depends on the pump (for the grant itself) with a metal impeller it is cooler
I've been driving a chepyrka like this for 6 years now.
Sergey, I heard somewhere that a heated radiator also fries well without any airflow
Sergei, I decided to redo everything then and installed a turbocharged pump
Doesn't fry anything
And it works fine on the original pump
Why don't you redo this thermostat from the IbatsCA grants! The Polish metal Incar at 87 degrees copes with its task quite well! At -40 we drove without any cardboard on the 99 high panel, and did not freeze, the only thing is that it partially tightens the glass. And so the DaAZ radiator, normal pump, faucet fully open and the damper is taped, there are no gaps. And also, when the crane was installing a new cable, I didn’t put a new cable on it. I moved it with my hand for the winter (opened it), closed it for the summer, otherwise I noticed that you jerk it back and forth, then it starts to leak and the valve in it fucks up
Nikita, my neighbor did this and he doesn’t know grief
Oleg, are there any air leaks anywhere? I just had the same problem
Nikolay, yes, most likely there is, I recently bought it and haven’t climbed it yet. I don’t have a garage, I’m waiting for the heat to spread the panel.
Oleg, well then look at the smallest pipes first, if not then iron the cylinder head
Source: vazauto-club.ru
Is it possible to install a thermostat 2110 on “nine”?
This question was partly answered in the previous paragraph. Yes, you can install a VAZ-2110 thermostat on a 2109, and it doesn’t matter at all whether the “nine” is carburetor or injection. In fact, starting from the “eight”, the engines are used the same. What can we say, even modern “Grants” are equipped with an engine that has been used on “eights” and “nines” since the 80s. Progress, to say the least. Of course, instead of a carburetor there is now a more modern injection system, which by European standards was outdated 5-10 years ago. And almost all components are interchangeable. There are minor differences and improvements, but this does not change the overall picture.
Thermostat From Grants For VAZ 2109 Part 1
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Installation Features
After installing this element on a VAZ 2109, 2114, etc., the heater tap will be constantly in the on position. The warm air flow regulator will be located on the damper intake that regulates the flow of cold air. The cable leading to the stove faucet should be completely disconnected. This way, your cooling system will work correctly and the temperature inside the car will be normal.
Of course, installing a thermostat from a Lada Granta is a very good thing. Considering that it is assembled according to a more modern design, the chance of its failure will be much lower than that of old pump-action models. That is, in addition to improving the stove and reducing engine wear, you will also save money.
Experienced motorists say that replacing the “nine” thermostat with the same device from Granta will help the engine and the entire car dealership warm up faster. This is due to the functional features of the Grant device.
YORUMLAR • 47
and how much are the tees, diameter? Tell me brotherly, I want to bet on 99.
Hey buddy, can you tell me how to install this thermostat on the Kalina on the Lada from Grantov
I don’t care where you put it, even on a tractor, the main thing is to understand its operation, the most important thing is that the heating valve needs to be installed in general, and if it’s not there, then everything is great
Are the studs 8mm by 100 or 80?
Where can I buy such a Tee? thick with thin output?
And how much did the spare parts cost?
90% of the sum is the thermostat. maximum 20$ for everything
Well, tell me the length of the studs, what are the tees, what are the diameters.
the part has a purpose (UAZ, GAZ.) has a catalog number, your words about hedgehogs and selection according to. they talk about the inability to convey complete information to the viewer, which makes your video dull and uninteresting and of little use. The tee requires an M22x1.5 fitting with an output of 18-20mm, such fittings do not exist in nature, you just have to sharpen them. I have already installed and: studs 2101 - camshaft, tee Code: 01_0408, or number 000132653 has a narrowing inside and is very bad for the summer, so they put it from UAZ 451-1303018-10, but with us this is rare and only to order and the price is the same thermostat. I made the tee myself from 32mm and 20mm pipes, 150mm long, with an angle of 70 degrees, because without extension you need to buy a 32mm pipe with an angle of 70 degrees. When a person goes to the store (calls), he already knows what he needs, and does not blow the minds of women who do not understand what they are talking about. When I order spare parts online, I need part numbers, and not the manager’s stupid orders to run to the warehouse and pick up studs and pipes for me.
Why replace the thermostat
The cooling system of a car of almost any brand includes the same components, namely:
- expansion tank;
- tank plug (responsible for releasing pressure);
- radiator;
- electric fan;
- thermostat.
At the same time, the connection diagram of these elements into one single circuit may be different, which causes peculiarities in the operation of the cooling system of a particular car.
Thus, on front-wheel drive VAZ cars, this system has not undergone major changes since 2108, and only during the development of Grant did the designers decide to make significant changes.
If you look at the diagram, it immediately becomes obvious that the basic cooling system 2114 does not include coolant passing through the heater radiator in a small circle.
This, together with the not entirely correct operation of the thermostat, leads to the fact that a lot of time passes from the moment the engine is started until the comfortable temperature inside the cabin reaches a comfortable temperature. The thermostat from grants 2114 will help correct this situation.
An installed Granta thermostat will help build the operation of the cooling system similar to that of the Lada Granta. In this case, the heater radiator will be connected in series, and not in parallel, and will begin to receive the heat given off by the coolant immediately from the moment the engine starts.
In addition, the modernized cooling system, thanks to greater heat dissipation, will help avoid possible overheating and boiling of the liquid in the expansion tank.
Modernization of the "tens"
First, the old thermostat is removed from the “tens”:
- loosening the clamps of the radiator outlet and inlet hoses;
- dismantling the device.
The next stage is a comparative analysis of Granta SOD and VAZ 2110. On the first vehicle, the stove is connected in series, and on the second - in parallel. On the Lada Granta, the performance of the heating device does not depend on the pump speed. At the same time, the antifreeze in the expansion tank and radiator does not warm up.
The thermostat replacement process is carried out after purchasing the following parts:
- gaskets;
- lower pipe;
- washers;
- clamps;
- antifreeze;
- ABRO sealant.
The thermostat is installed on the VAZ 2110 after draining the antifreeze. To plug the hose coming from the throttle valve, use an M10 bolt and clamps. The next stage is connecting the hoses and installing the temperature sensor.
Tuned SOD system on a VAZ 2110: the stove inlet is connected to the thermostat, and the drain is connected to the saxophone. The damper heating is not activated. If necessary, connect a hose from the stove radiator to the throttle, which goes to the expander. Then pour antifreeze into the SOD and start the engine. During the warming up process, it is recommended to monitor the temperature of the antifreeze and the tightness of the connections. If there are no violations, then the tuning was successful.
Experts include the following advantages of such a replacement:
- warmth in the cabin;
- stable temperature under different operating modes.
The “new stove” will start blowing warm air at 55°C, and at 70°C hot air will come out of the stove (at idle and while the vehicle is moving). When driving, the engine temperature level will be within 85°C. At the same time, the power unit does not overheat in traffic jams, and the temperature is within 100°C. This helps the fan start.
Additional tuning
To make the thermostat work better, the bypass will need to be modified. A thermostat with 6 holes ensures quick heating of the air in the cabin (due to the reduction of the channel). The volume of liquid that circulates through the valve depends on the diameter of the bypass. As the channel decreases, the flow through the heating device increases. The interior of the “tens” becomes warmer.
When narrowing a thermostat with 5 holes, problems may arise with flushing the thermal element. To narrow the channel to the desired diameter, an aluminum plate is required. It is mounted inside the bypass. To do this, use rivets or cold welding. A new hole is drilled in the plate.
The tuned thermostat consists of a housing with an additional sixth hole (for the pipe), the pipe itself, threads, throttle washer, vehicle head, thermoelement and adjusting bolt. The pipe is screwed in and cold welded.
An additional pipe is installed parallel to the standard one on the stove (to allow the return flow from the heating unit to enter the measuring cavity of the vehicle). To increase the coolant current on a small circle, you will need a throttle washer. This eliminates pressure drop.
The adjusting bolt should rest against the leg of the element. This will allow you to regulate the opening temperature of the vehicle from the outside. Since the standard TS-82s are cold, additional modernization will be required. Experts advise converting carburetor TS-82s into injection ones. To do this, you need to drill and tap a thread for the DTOZH.
A tee is used for tuning. On the “ten” it does not need to be deployed. A thermostat with 6 holes, unlike the previous element, is easier to tune. After reducing this bypass, the coolant temperature will depend on the radiator temperature.
What is needed for replacement
Before installing a grant thermostat on a VAZ 2114, you should purchase all the necessary parts and materials.
These include:
- the actual thermostat for Grant (to avoid mistakes, you can write down its catalog number - 21900-1306010-00);
- new thermostat gasket;
- a pair of M8 studs 85 mm long;
- lower radiator hose for Grant;
- tee for coolant return flow;
- clamps of the appropriate size;
- sealant (necessarily heat-resistant).
In addition to all of the above, it is recommended to purchase new coolant and replace it in the entire system after making the upgrade. This operation is not mandatory, but highly desirable.
